you can file and say, look, the federal government wasted money and i can prove it. he got $30 million from the federal government from when he was riding for the postal service team. if landis wins that lawsuit he not only gets the $30 million, he gets triple damages. $90 million potentially. and that is certainly a possibility. there are other aspects to the suit that may be more difficult to prove. but armstrong has bought himself a world of civil legal problems tonight. >> we're going to have more with the entire panel, betsy andreu as well around 10:30. fascinating stuff. stick around for that. we'll see you guys in a moment. >>> lance armstrong said he's spoken to her and her husband frankie, his former teammate. we'll ask her about it. follow me on twitter. i'll be tweeting tonight. >>> up next -- more breaking news. late details on americans held hostage by islamic terrorists. conflicting reports on the status of a rescue operation by algerian forces. u.s. wasn't even told about it, according to our sources. we'll have all the latest on that. at 1:45, the afl